The Bravo Number Close

Was asked 3 times last week about my number close. Even though I know it can be found online elsewhere, adding it here for you guys so you can find all of MY stuff on MY site easily

This routine was developed out of necessity, I was hitting a sticking point and couldn’t figure out what I was doing wrong. I was number closing more chicks than I could remember each night, but was getting about 1/2 of them on the phone and about 1/2 of those out on dates.
I couldn’t figure out where I was messing up with my PHONE GAME. So I started experimenting around with the different phone tactics, not leaving voicemails, leaving voicemails with open loops, not texting, trying crazy text messages, calling from blocked numbers, calling them and only talking for a few mins, or talking to them for hours..etc
Not only was all of that crap tiring, but it never felt congruent with me. If I wanted to talk to someone on the phone I talked to them, if I didn’t I wouldn’t.
Then something clicked in my head from my martial arts training.

Position before Submission

Which means that setting things up correctly are more important and help lead to a submission.
Guys want to know how to do flying armbars and twisters in BJJ, but if they can’t even hold guard or pass someone else’s guard, it’s really a waste of time to even think about that advanced stuff because you will never even get to it.
It also means that if you are having trouble at one are of your game (submission or PUA) then it is because what you did leading up to it, wasn’t as tight as it could have been. The reason I was having trouble with the girls on the phone wasn’t my phone game, it was everything I had done BEFORE calling them!
(this is the main problem with Flash Game, guys get numbers but nothing happens after)
To test to see if the girls were genuinely attracted to me I came up with this-

The Bravo Number Close-

“Wow it has been amazing getting to know you; the crazy thing was is I wasn’t even going to go out tonight. My friends are heading out (I need to get back to my friends, hitting the road, whatever..) but we can’t just let this end here, we have to figure out a way to stay in touch, to keep this going… do you have any ideas/ how do we make this happen?”
Some of her possible responses are:

  • I could give you my phone number! (YES)
  • Some kind of funny remark, “well there are these things called CELLPHONES” then you say “oh that’s what those are for!” Then hand her your phone or a pen and paper (YES)
  • Well you could give me your number. (Cool then SWAP numbers)
  • Email/Facebook – a sign that you did not build ENOUGH of a connection but some
  • Maybe I will see you here again- you built almost NO connection

The reason I like this method so much is

  1. It is HER idea to give you her number, you are not tricking her into it, not putting her on the spot to give it, etc.. She is freely deciding to offer it.
  2. Because it is HER idea it is MUCH MORE SOLID. Sales- if it’s their idea to buy, let them!
  3. If she doesn’t offer it, you instantly know you need to work on building a connection, you don’t have to wait after a week of phone tag to find out where you stand, and can use that time and energy on new approaches.
  4. The big drawback to this is that with other number closes; if you get the number you can still build upon it later using phone and text game. With this one if she does not offer you the phone number it is then harder to get and build on. That to me is acceptable. I have other numbers to concentrate on and would rather know as soon as possible where I stand with her. I am also using this as a TEST to see how solid I am building a connection with her and not just worrying about getting the number

Contingency Plan- if I KNOW I only have a few minutes, I will purposely talk about my Facebook Stalker Routine (as featured in Neil Strauss’s Rules of the Game) and find out if they have one, then when asking her how to stay in touch it is a natural idea to swap Facebook info. The phone number is a much more personal item to give out than a Facebook page. So when time is limited I will steer it to a Facebook close. I can still work some Facebook game and my page has social proof all over it, so I will then let that DHV me. If it just not is in the cards, adding another hot girl online is a DHV on its own, so in my eyes even if that is all I get out of it, it is still something I can use to my advantage.

This routine was worked so well for me and others, that even though I only planned on using it for a short time, it is now my go to number close routine. I read field reports all the time where guys are saying they used this, even on the other side of the WORLD….that still blows me away!

Anyways guys, enjoy this and comment below if you have any questions, or post any feedback of you trying this out!

8 thoughts on “The Bravo Number Close

  1. sorry bravo. never even knew that thread existing. I do not comb through the whole forum looking at posts.

  2. Joe :

    i re read the post, don’t see the answer a clear cut and dry answer to my question

    The purpose of this opener is to test her interest level.
    It accomplishes that, and I am not worried that anyone MIGHT perceive this as not being “super confident”.
    You completely missed the purpose of this routine.
    Also instead of questioning something like this, you should test it and see how it works first, much like I just talked about in this thread
    and you need to really take that thread serious, you helped inspire it

  3. Joe :


    Thanks for sharing. My question is this: Doesn’t the # close give off a sense of being unsure by saying “do you have any ideas/ how do we make this happen?” Shouldnt one be super confident and know what he wants ( the number), thus telling her to give it to him?


    Please re-read the entire blog post, where I explain why I came up with this and why this works well

  4. Bravo,
    Thanks for sharing. My question is this: Doesn’t the # close give off a sense of being unsure by saying “do you have any ideas/ how do we make this happen?” Shouldnt one be super confident and know what he wants ( the number), thus telling her to give it to him?

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